I saw on three occasions in about the same location a beautiful mtn lion with the long bushytail that curves at the end. Thanks very much. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. You're on the air. Home security footage caught the animal shifting around in the darkness and once the automatic lights went on it was revealed to be a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Sam Evans Brown. What to Read Next. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Think you've seen a mountain lion? So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. John you're on the air. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Let's look for other evidence. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Mountain lions live in the state. He is also on Twitter @nhandyMLT. John Harrigan has long ago stopped arguing about it. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. - Merrimack, NH - A 1990s home on a private wooded lot with a huge deck and inviting interior living space. The Mountain Lion, also called the Cougar, Puma, or Panther, is a large, terrestrial animal, with most breeds being native to North America. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Mountain lion or cat running across. You saw what you saw. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasn’t been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. 50 feet above the most. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Patrick Tate: Yes. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Does not test random Scouts. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Right. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Really appreciate it. Can you look into this picture. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat and raccoon. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. And it was unmistakable. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Peter Biello: Yeah. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. Caller: I have yeah. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Can you tell us about that story. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Thank you. What kind of animal is that. So there's even debate about that very subject. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. So that did it for me. I'm Peter Biello. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. In May, 2012, a Manchester, New Hampshire, middle school sent out an alert after an animal thought to be a mountain lion was spotted circling the soccer field. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. What do you think that. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. I just want to tell you a story that I read. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Good morning guys. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. No I saw a camel. Range . The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. It doesn't happen as much anymore. Thanks for your call. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. So take care of this problem. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. What's going on. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Its feet are characterized by five claws on its fo… So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. Mike thanks for your call. So give us a call now. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. Part I. WMUR - Manchester • December 6, 2016. It's bigger but bigger and better world. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Thanks for a great thanks. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Our goal is to create a safe and engaging place for users to connect over interests and passions. Mount Chocorua (IPA: /ʃʌˈkɔʊˌɹwə/) is a 3,490 ft (1,060 m) mountain in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, the easternmost peak of the Sandwich Range.Although the mountain is not outstanding for its elevation, it is very rugged and has excellent views of the surrounding lakes, mountains, and forests. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. They just end up in these places. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. I tracked cats and all the western states. In 2013 there was talk that a mountain lion could be roaming OUR neighborhood. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Peter Biello: Hmm. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. And so. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Mountain lions vary hugely in average body size depending on geographic location—their size is smallest closer to the equator and largest closer to the poles. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. The Eastern Cougar (mountain lion), one of 15 subspecies of cougar living in North America, was native to our area at the time of settlement. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. John thanks. There was a lot of DNA evidence. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. On a dirt road. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. I'm Peter B yellow. That's too big for Bobcat. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. It's you know I recognized their report and. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. John is calling from Bennington. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Thanks for calling. A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. No that's a little bit outside the range. Generally, though, males weigh between 115 and 220 pounds (52 and 100 kilograms) and females weigh between 64 and 141 pounds (29 and 64 kilograms). Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. The animal was spotted Wednesday on Brady Circle which is … Right. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. Mountain lions are not supposed to live in New Hampshire but some people say they're seeing them. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Okay. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. He was driving south on Route 3 from Lancaster towards Whitefield just south of the White Mountains Regional High School. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. It was not a bobcat. Is this kind of a typical story. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Peter Biello: Wow. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Have you seen one. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Yes. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Can we go to the site. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. They're just moving around freely. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. But you won’t find evidence of their existence in paw prints in … Caller: Absolutely. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. So do they. You don't know what's going on. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. So now what's going on. Really appreciate it. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called “Wild Cats of New Hampshire,” which included the bobcat and the lynx. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. They sent it already. But no proof was offered. Here it is. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Biology Professor Says He's Positive He Spotted A Mountain Lion In The North Country. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Peter Biello: Ok. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I think that you probably are. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. We'd love to have you in the queue. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. So let's let's go to the phones. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy John. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. If mountain lions do exist in the Northern New England woods, they are very few and far between. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. And you know all that. It's listed as population of least concern. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. They don't know the direction they're going. I mean they're a survivor. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. Absolutely. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. Rick van de Poll: Yes. 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